Joystiq http://www.joystiq.com Joystiq http://www.joystiq.com/media/feedlogo.gif Joystiq http://www.joystiq.com en-us Copyright 2008 Weblogs, Inc. The contents of this feed are available for non-commercial use only. Blogsmith http://www.blogsmith.com/JoystiqThe Joystiq Podcast combines insightful commentary on the week's video game news and culture with several disembodied, often spooky, voices. Voices may or may not belong to Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann, Joystiq.com editors, or their guests. Spookiness not guaranteed where prohibited, please check local laws. More information available at www.joystiq.comJoystiq Podcast 064 - Energon editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/05/joystiq-podcast-064-energon-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/05/joystiq-podcast-064-energon-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/05/joystiq-podcast-064-energon-edition/#commentsFiled under:


In this week's Allspark-powered show, we say hello to Boston PAX and 360 price cuts, goodbye to Jeff Green and "we'll probably never, ever see you" to the Buffy MMO. Also, somebody's going to win a copy of Castle Crashers, and if you don't listen, you'll never know that it's not you.

Thanks to Danny Lujan of the JPAG for crunchy, reduced sodium photochopping greatness. (As an aside, we're running low on photochops, so join the group and fill the reserves!)

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]]>joystiq-podcastjoystiqpodcastFri, 05 Sep 2008 14:50:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 064Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy01:39:08Joystiq Podcast: PAX 2008 Specialhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/01/joystiq-podcast-pax-2008-special/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/01/joystiq-podcast-pax-2008-special/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/09/01/joystiq-podcast-pax-2008-special/#commentsFiled under:

Much like that stepbrother you really can't stand, this special PAX 2008 edition of the Joystiq Podcast drops in at an unexpected time and bears little to no resemblance to the rest of the family.

We didn't tamper with any of the Usual Suspect's traditions (sorry, no snacks, although we were obsessively eating Pocky Sticks during recording), else Crudwig McElroy might come after us with a seven-toed iron kick. Still, we had a microphone and 45 minutes to kill, so we decided to recap everything we had seen at the Expo pre-Omegathon final.

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Hosts: Ross Miller, Kevin Kelly and Jem Alexander

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]]>Mon, 01 Sep 2008 18:00:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast PAX08Ross Miller, Kevin Kelly, Jem Alexander0:36:52Joystiq Podcast 063 - S.N.A.X. editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/29/joystiq-podcast-063-s-n-a-x-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/29/joystiq-podcast-063-s-n-a-x-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/29/joystiq-podcast-063-s-n-a-x-edition/#commentsFiled under:


We've finally harnessed the power of our combined snacking knowledge to create a regular, completely non-game related segment on it. Oh, sure we're still talking about video games like Force Unleashed, Too Human and S.T.A.L.K.E.R., but snacks (S.N.A.X.?) really steal the show.

Thanks to Evan Minto, Jordan Wasilka and Max Varenik of the JPAG for the trifecta of photochopping greatness.

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]]>force-unleashedjoystiq-podcastjoystiqpodcastpodcastsstalkertoo-humanFri, 29 Aug 2008 13:30:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 063Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy01:21:38Joystiq Podcast 062 - LaserComb editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/22/joystiq-podcast-062-lasercomb-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/22/joystiq-podcast-062-lasercomb-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/22/joystiq-podcast-062-lasercomb-edition/#commentsFiled under:


This show, well, it wouldn't even exist without the Leipzig Games Convention and the LaserComb. That's an incontrovertible fact. But even if you don't have any interest in either of those you'll still find Tip of the Week, emails, the Killjoy and, naturally, a b-b-Brush with Fame.

Thanks to JPAG member Danny Lujan for this photoshop we couldn't refuse.

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]]>joystiq-podcastjoystiqpodcastFri, 22 Aug 2008 15:30:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 062Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy01:48:36Joystiq Podcast 061 - Back to the '70s editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/15/joystiq-podcast-061-back-to-the-70s-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/15/joystiq-podcast-061-back-to-the-70s-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/15/joystiq-podcast-061-back-to-the-70s-edition/#commentsFiled under:


Wow, this is a talky one. Luckily for you, this more than hour-and-45-minute-long show is just chock-full of content. We've got all the usual features you know and love, a curtailed discussion of cursing, the downloadable game explosion, Geometry Wars 2 protips and, puzzlingly, Chris gets more excited about a game from the early 1970s than a brand new one.

Big ups to JPAG member Danny Lujan for this street-fightin' photoshop. Also, we've got a hit new helper, the Joystiq Killjoy, who fact-checked last weeks' ep. See the results after the jump.

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]]>joystiq-podcastjoystiqpodcastFri, 15 Aug 2008 14:30:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 061Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy01:44:33Joystiq Podcast 060 - Potato chip war editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/08/joystiq-podcast-060-potato-chip-war-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/08/joystiq-podcast-060-potato-chip-war-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/08/joystiq-podcast-060-potato-chip-war-edition/#commentsFiled under:


Snack-themed podcast titles continue with big episode 60, which includes discussion of Grand Theft Auto IV PC, Braid, Geometry Wars 2 and so much more. There's even a fresh Tip of the Week, Brush With Fame and mind-bogglingly annoying crunching noises to kick things off right.

Oh, and lest we forget, this week's absolutely horrifying Photoshop is courtesy of JPAG member Gus Falconi.

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]]>joystiq-podcastjoystiqfeaturesjoystiqpodcastpodcastsFri, 08 Aug 2008 10:15:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 060Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy1:09:15Joystiq Podcast 059 - King of Snacks editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/01/joystiq-podcast-059-king-of-snacks-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/01/joystiq-podcast-059-king-of-snacks-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/08/01/joystiq-podcast-059-king-of-snacks-edition/#commentsFiled under:


You may think you know who the King of Snacks is. The chubby guy, right? Well no, in fact, you're wrong. Also, you're a racist. And though we normally don't associate with your type, we've gone ahead and recorded a podcast for you to enjoy.

Bear audio witness to a new Tip of the Week, the return of the Brush With Fame and some assorted gaming discussion! Bear it! (This week's thunderous photochopping comes to us from JPAG member Danny Lujan. Thanks, Dan!)

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]]>joystiq-podcastjoystiqpodcastpodcastsFri, 01 Aug 2008 13:55:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 059Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy1:26:15Joystiq Podcast 058 - Merchant-off editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/25/joystiq-podcast-058-merchant-off-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/25/joystiq-podcast-058-merchant-off-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/25/joystiq-podcast-058-merchant-off-edition/#commentsFiled under:


We are actually excited to bring you the Joystiq Podcast this week. We know, it's shocking. Not only do we start with one of the best celebrity introductions ever, we close with a battle of epic proportions. Oh, and in between, we talk about video games.

Fun fact: This week's brilliant image was sent to us by Eric who, in a fit of rage, we once promised to set on fire. The resulting photoshopping made our hollow threats totally worth it.

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]]>joystiqpodcastFri, 25 Jul 2008 14:25:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 058Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy56:31Joystiq Podcast E308 - Grown folks editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/18/joystiq-podcast-e308-grown-folks-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/18/joystiq-podcast-e308-grown-folks-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/18/joystiq-podcast-e308-grown-folks-edition/#commentsFiled under: ,


After a brief hiatus, we've returned with the grand finale of our E3 2008 podcasts. This one's way better, we promise. First off, we're actually talking about games. Which games, you ask? Well how about Dead Space, Mirror's Edge, Resident Evil 5, Tomb Raider: Underworld and Dark Void for starters? Yeah, we thought so.

Oh, and it's not too quiet, there a bunch of embarrassing stories and no one falls asleep. So, yeah, a success all around.

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]]>e3-2008joystiqpodcastpodcastsFri, 18 Jul 2008 21:20:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast E308 3Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann, Justin McElroy and Ross Miller1:15:56Joystiq Podcast E308 - Not joking editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/16/joystiq-podcast-e308-not-joking-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/16/joystiq-podcast-e308-not-joking-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/16/joystiq-podcast-e308-not-joking-edition/#commentsFiled under: , ,


For some unfathomable reason, we've recorded a second E3 2008 podcast. Not only that, but we've uploaded it onto the interweb and constructed a largely vacuous paragraph urging you to listen to the show. What can you expect? There's talk of Prince of Persia, Mirror's Edge, Tom Clancy's Endwar and boring press conferences, not to mention a strict adherence to our remarkably high audio quality and professionalism. Ahem.

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]]>E3-2008joystiqfeaturesjoystiqpodcastWed, 16 Jul 2008 23:30:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast E308 2Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy0:57:32Joystiq Podcast E308 - Girl talk editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/15/joystiq-podcast-e308-girl-talk-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/15/joystiq-podcast-e308-girl-talk-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/15/joystiq-podcast-e308-girl-talk-edition/#commentsFiled under: ,


Well, we've arrived at E3 and we're currently rushing about on the show floor playing games and just generally having clean, healthy fun. But just because we're swamped doesn't mean we're not taking time out to record the Joystiq Podcast.

For this first installment we took to the floor of Chris and Luddy's hotel room with Engadget's Ryan Block to dish about Microsoft and Thai food. Hope you enjoy it.

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]]>e3-2008joystiqpodcastTue, 15 Jul 2008 21:45:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast E308 1Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy1:01:02Joystiq Podcast 057 - Girls or vacations editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/11/joystiq-podcast-057-girls-or-vacations-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/11/joystiq-podcast-057-girls-or-vacations-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/11/joystiq-podcast-057-girls-or-vacations-edition/#commentsFiled under:


We're all getting ready for E3 around the HQ, but we still took the time to talk about the paltry selection of news, which of our listeners should be set on fire and a bevy of other topics. Check it totally out.

And thanks to friend of the show and JPAG member Louis Senkowsky, for his timely yet bat-tacular offering to the photochop gods.

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]]>joystiq-podcastjoystiqpodcastpodcastsFri, 11 Jul 2008 18:25:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 057Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy1:19:14Joystiq Podcast 056 - Womb of Freedom editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/04/joystiq-podcast-056-womb-of-freedom-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/04/joystiq-podcast-056-womb-of-freedom-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/07/04/joystiq-podcast-056-womb-of-freedom-edition/#commentsFiled under:


Hooray for America! You're having another birthday and we're celebrating with another edition of the apex of your cultural contribution to the annals of history: The Joystiq Podcast. We're talking PS3 firmware 2.40, and finally picking a winner for the You Have To Write the Lyrics contest.

Also, huzzah for the JPAG's Markus Wilson for his incredibly, tear-jerkingly patriotic photoshopping. Oh, and this is our first video podcast, not that you'll be able to see it.

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]]>joystiq-podcastjoystiqpodcastpodcastsFri, 04 Jul 2008 14:30:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 056Chris Grant and Justin McElroy1:24:00Joystiq Podcast 055 - Public access editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/27/joystiq-podcast-055-public-access-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/27/joystiq-podcast-055-public-access-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/27/joystiq-podcast-055-public-access-edition/#commentsFiled under:


Well, you've got the Brush With Fame returning this week (pro) but we still don't have a winner for the songwriting contest (con). There's also the usual discussions about public access strippers, because it wouldn't be the Joystiq Podcast without that.

And big ups to the JPAG's James Parsons, who made this week's art, which combines the album art from all the other podcasts, if you can believe that.

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]]>joystiqpodcastFri, 27 Jun 2008 15:30:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 055Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy1:16:31Joystiq Podcast Extend Extra: Metal Gear Squabblinghttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/26/joystiq-podcast-extend-extra-metal-gear-squabbling/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/26/joystiq-podcast-extend-extra-metal-gear-squabbling/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/26/joystiq-podcast-extend-extra-metal-gear-squabbling/#commentsFiled under:


Now that Solid Snake's story has come to an end, some of us are still having a hard time dealing with the loss. James has begun living on the New York City streets in his cardboard box costume and Chris just screams "SSNNNAAAKKKUUU!" at the stars every night. But some members of the Joystiq family have gotten proactive, talking out their thoughts on the series instead of bottling them up inside.

So, join Joystiq's Ludwig Kietzmann and Ross Miller, and Nintendo Wii Fanboy's David Hinkle as they discuss their final thoughts on MGS 4, their hopes for the future of the series and just generally take an hour-long trip to Nerdtown. (Oh, they're also going to Lower Spoilersburg, so if that's a locale you want to avoid, you should spend your eartime elsewhere.)

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]]>joystiqpodcastmetal-gearmetal-gear-solid-4mgs4Thu, 26 Jun 2008 12:15:00 ESTMetal Gear SpecialDavid Hinkle, Ludwig Kietzmann and Ross Miller1:11:15Joystiq Podcast 054 - World exclusive editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/20/joystiq-podcast-054-world-exclusive-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/20/joystiq-podcast-054-world-exclusive-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/20/joystiq-podcast-054-world-exclusive-edition/#commentsFiled under:


Well, Chris is out gallivanting across the country again, and (surprising no one) he's not allowed to talk about what he's doing. But we still find plenty to talk about, like secret 360 leaks, Joystiq apologies, favorite breakfast cereals and Metal Gear Solid 4. It makes sense in context, promise.


This week, we also have to thank the JPAG's Markus Wilson for capturing us at work on our mid-Atlantic oil tanker.

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]]>joystiq-podcastjoystiqpodcastFri, 20 Jun 2008 12:30:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 054Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy1:14:43Joystiq Podcast 053 - La Le Lo Li Lieu editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/13/joystiq-podcast-053-la-le-lo-li-lieu-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/13/joystiq-podcast-053-la-le-lo-li-lieu-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/13/joystiq-podcast-053-la-le-lo-li-lieu-edition/#commentsFiled under:


It's been a crazy week, what with the release of Metal Gear Solid 4, big changes at Microsoft and a slew of new Xbox 360 RPGs being announced. But, as always, we're there to cradle your head, explain it all to you and tell you everything's going to be alright.

Oh, and once again we have to thank thank the JPAG's Wesley Johnson for his Beatles-ispired photoshopping.

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Hosts: Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy

Music: "Get Ready for Love" by Nick Cave

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]]>joystiq-podcastjoystiqpodcastpodcastsFri, 13 Jun 2008 15:30:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 053Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy1:57:34Joystiq Podcast 052 - Don't Chew Dare editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/06/joystiq-podcast-052-dont-chew-dare-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/06/joystiq-podcast-052-dont-chew-dare-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/06/06/joystiq-podcast-052-dont-chew-dare-edition/#commentsFiled under:


Christopher is off the grid this week, so you're going to have to put up with young Griffin McElroy in his stead. Luckily, we've got plenty of entertainment in store with impressions and hands-ons of Bionic Commando, Resident Evil 5, Dark Void and a lot more. We also receive some of our best emails ever.

Oh, and we would be remiss if we didn't thank the JPAG's Wesley Johnson for his incredible photochoppin' work this week.

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Hosts: Griffin McElroy, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy

Music: "Get Ready for Love" by Nick Cave, "Red Eye" by Ben Kweller.

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]]>captivate-08dark-voidjoystiq-podcastjoystiqpodcastpodcastsFri, 06 Jun 2008 12:45:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 052Griffin McElroy, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy1:18:51Joystiq Podcast 051 - Realistic expectations editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/30/joystiq-podcast-051-realistic-expectations-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/30/joystiq-podcast-051-realistic-expectations-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/30/joystiq-podcast-051-realistic-expectations-edition/#commentsFiled under:


So we made it to episode 50 and then what? How do we follow up pure awesome? Easy, we don't! Want to know what Justin's cell phone sounds like? Yeah, we've got it. Want to know what Ludwig doesn't sound like? Well, we've got that too. But that's not all, people. We cover some of the biggest stories of the week, give away a pirate ship, and read your emails. It's a strange, new world. Episode 51 ahoy!

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Music: "Fez Dispenser" by Hence the Name.

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]]>joystiqpodcastFri, 30 May 2008 17:00:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 051Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy1:04:39Joystiq Podcast 050 - Self-congratulatory editionhttp://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/23/joystiq-podcast-050-self-congratulatory-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/23/joystiq-podcast-050-self-congratulatory-edition/http://www.joystiq.com/2008/05/23/joystiq-podcast-050-self-congratulatory-edition/#commentsFiled under:


No one thought we would make it this far, ourselves being at the top of that list. But here we are: Episode 50. What have we got? Oh, hows about some classic moments? How about two musical numbers? How about we give away a pirate ship? Yeah, it's huge. You should probably just start listening.

Oh, and big ups to Danny J for the incredible Photoshoppage.

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]]>joystiqpodcastFri, 23 May 2008 15:25:00 ESTJoystiq Podcast 050Chris Grant, Ludwig Kietzmann and Justin McElroy1:22:20